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I will be honest JeffS and JeffB , I am often confused by the moving target that you described before. I will never go back to Calvinism because I cant recall a single moment that I felt any certainty of Gods love for me in that system. Each Christmas, I am thankful that God works in mysterious ways. Could the person have simply avoided it and gone to someplace else without even making the comment? Bailey Smith. NEVER allow them an unchallenged presumption. The beginning of thought is in disagreement not only with others but also with ourselves.-Eric Hoffer. To breath it. However, they are limited, just as we are. Keith Green (the only musician that made the list) 22. Yet, their theology is reformed. Who did he think he was? What about what God foreordained someone else to say that is different. When a baby is born, mamas milk comes out as colostrum a very thick yellow substance perfectly designed to meet babies need exactly at the newborn stage of life. In a faith that is centered on love, (What greater love is this?) it is hard for me to understand why abused people are so often further destroyed by that faith as presented by others. To claim Were doing well so we must be righteous is banal theological incompetence. But this is not a problem of Calvinism only, its a problem that all who believe in an all powerful, good God have to contend with. @ Daisy: Thats why. That is, the non-Calvinist can say whatever he or she wants and the Calvinist just has to take it. So many have been through one form of abuse or another and have needs that we should allow for, beyond social norms. I think of it as humility and respecting my limitations, but I understand the line between humility and doublethink is quite thin. (I mean, Star Trek?). The first two Baptist theologians were John Smyth (ca. I can't get thereeither on the basis of the argument (I have heard it all and tried). With no disrespect to the contributor who mentioned them in a recent thread here, knowing the four positions on divorce (if indeed one accepts there are four) cannot make me a good husband, any more than knowing the flashpoint and auto-ignition temperature of diesel makes me a better driver. I immediately connected with reader Oasis and it left me sobbing. The Calvinistas have just put a new spin on how to usurp Gods authority (the Holy Spirit) over the individual believer. Does that make my stance clearer? Again, if it were a matter of someone, as I put it earlier, beating someone over the head with their beliefs, that would be different. But I know the principles are the same. I shall ask our readers to ray for him at the top of the home page. You see, dedicated, intelligent theologianshave gone down this road for centuries and still disagree with one another. You might argue that with only a little bacteria, you might only get sick, but not die. But its brought up a lot, so what am I supposed to do? Today I am addressing a post to non-Calvinists and will do the same for Calvinists on Monday. First list Randy Alcorn Thabiti Anyabwile Tom Ascol Voddie Baucham Joel Beeke Alistair Begg Jon Bloom Loraine Boettner James Pettigru Boyse John Calvin (of course) D.A. I know this sounds like a broad brush, but I think people need to know this dirty little secret. There is some truth in this, but to bring thought control into it turns it into legalism. We can connect on our shared faith and heart for the abused. 1 Cor. Bridget, would you mind documenting instances of this, if its not too much trouble, because I would be very interested in knowing if any of these people would make such a basic mistake about the concept of Total Depravity. I need it. I wish we didnt even have to talk about it. The same dynamic that caused Charles Darwin to say I am not a Darwinist and Karl Marx to say I am not a Marxist? Paul teaches that it is in God that we live and move and have our being (Acts 17:28), Page 80: Editors Note: The list is not meant to be exhaustive and will be updated periodically. But Jesus and he should know praised his Father for hiding these things from the wise and learned, revealing them instead to little weans. . It feels good to be in a healthy spiritual state again. And I pretty much agree with everything you say here. When we say, during the inevitable discussion of Gods sovereignty with a traumatized person, that even wrongs are ordained because God ordains all, we cause existential damage. Attendance at Calvin-influenced worship conferences and churches is up,. Online, of course, its much harder to gauge actually, impossible, since you have no idea who is reading what youre writing. It was your comment about illogic that got me to thinking. I dont know that any of the venues get one closer to God than the others. But I could not have thrown it were it not for my moment-by-moment dependence on the being and power of God. But I respect that he does what he does for the same reason I do: we believe that people are at stake, and suffering is the penalty for losing the debate. The non Christian world will know there is a God by our love for other Christians. I will post about this. Ive done better with some on TWW than others, many times because of my own insensitivity. Because truth that doesnt work in the grey isnt really truth. Going to church in the north during those days was different. How can a bridge be built when the side you are attempting to reach constantly moves its shoreline back and forth in an effort to maintain its monolithic sovereignty as THE only standard of true Christian thought? By accurate, I mean that its the definition of the term when it came into being. And requires even more general kindness and that continued diet in that warm kitchen. Im eagerly awaiting my next blog post, too The blog kind of fell off the wayside due to some personal stuff that ate up most of my time. We will briefly survey these five points of disagreement and . Although I had been churched, I had rarely opened my Bible. NOT throwing out common sense and reasoning, but understanding that there are limitations to this. We were just grateful to be around otherChristians. Three of their principal concerns were believer's baptism, sectarian withdrawal from society, and religious liberty. As for my content, I think the Nicene Creed covers a lot of it. Once again, I was struck by Olson's response. Gordon Fee 30. And in their zeal, they often miss obvious signs that are bringing the hurt person even deeper into pain. It means that someone thinks someone else is presenting an incorrect opinion/idea and will present disagreement in as many ways as he/she can think will work. Which is fine! CALVIN! Ive tried to suss out how a good, all powerful God can exist at the same time as evil, and I just dont have an answer. Ive lost track of the number of times in blog comments where it has been insisted that it means that we are as bad as we can be. As in I Got It Right! That was pretty much the last straw for me. New Calvinism is not a new branch of theology or a denomination. In addition to Dees remarks on unity, Id also like to add the following: we all accept the historic Christian creeds of the early church (Apostles, Nicene, Athanasian) and the church councils, which means we all accept the most important teachings on Christs Person, His Deity and resurrection, and the teachings on the Trinity. Ah yes, those were the days A friend of mine came to the Lord while living in the hills above Santa Barbara in a teepee and smoking a lot of pot He and his wife were some of the most sane, grounded people I knew in the 80s. It was populated by extremely insecure . The promises are over the top. Mark Driscoll, John Piper and Tim Keller megachurch preachers and important evangelical authors are all Calvinist. Like you, I only care about what scripture says. But, knowing that this type of discussion triggers upsetting thoughts, why did you encourage it? For this reason, it is often called "God-centered" theology. They find it sustaining. Is proud of you. (an extremely brief synopsis:) 1911. Theres sort of a flip saying that goes get 10 Calvinists in a room and youll get 30 different opinions on what Calvinism is> Okay, that saying applies in many circumstances :). Groovy, man. With the Internet, you never know. This one may sound like ad hominem at first blush, but I mean it more as an observation of the . Never, once, have I ever entertained such a suggestions about my Calvinist brothers and sisters. And I will not say I could bebecause many of us understand that once we concede that men and women cannot know truth, then there is only one thing left to decide who gets to wield Gods authority on earth, because reason and logically reconcilable ideas have no place in truth: violence. I am much more hyper in my comments than they are. Based on my experience, the experience of Oasis both of us who have had very difficult childhood abuse experiences and other stories Ive been reading, especially of teens abandoning their faith, having emotional breakdowns and even suicide, why do we need to focus on Calvins system? I inferred, from the context in which you placed it, that by child you meant someone innocent of knowledge, using the examples you gave as metaphors, since, of course, Jesus didnt tell us to believe in those things. I actually believe that part of our problem lies in the human drive to tie up our theology into a logically consistent package, thus filling in, with human reason, places where the Scripture leaves spaces. Also, not all Calvinists are believe in particular pre-destination that is, not all Calvinists believe God causes everything, there are degrees from some just view salvation as pre-destined, to others believing you are reading this because God ordained it from the beginning, so Pipers view of tornadoes is not universally agreed on by Calvinists. Even just lurking at blogs or forums and watching people debate the topic, Id see this come up a lot, where most Calvinists would claim that the one criticizing, or questioning, Calvinism doesnt understand Calvinism. They may, and most probably do, differ on other areas of theology but at least in soteriology, they do not hold to what is commonly known as the Doctrines of Grace or TULIP. The fervor of thismovement reminds me of theearly, heady days oftheJesus movement. http://www.graceonlinelibrary.org/reformed-theology/arminianism/calvinism-vs-arminianism-comparison-chart/, http://www.pbs.org/thisemotionallife/topic/happiness/helping-others, http://stopbaptistpredators.blogspot.com/2013/09/dont-mess-with-texas-baptists_2.html, http://www.stopbaptistpredators.org/ravagedfaith.html, In reply to forgiven-to-be-forgiving . We are also workers. But when I look at the attitude of evangelism presented in scripture, it seems a lot closer to how an Arminian would frame it: a call of hope to those who would repent and turn to God. Yes, Nouthetic Counseling and a lot of teachers have given this impression, but they are wrong. I looked into becoming a Calvinist years ago but did not see it in the Scripture, and I tried hard to do so. I have tried to track the historical development of the non-Calvinist position. I think a better question would be: Why should He want to stop me? I dont know. Might we call what youre describing love? When I struggle with this, my answer is always to look at the Cross- it seems all theists must deal with a God who allows evil. At the end of the class, he was VERY sure where he stood- a non-Calvinist. You will need to register to get access to all the features that our community has to offer. They want pure milk easy to digest, soothing, warms their tummy, meets their needs, gives comfort, nourishes them and helps them grow. 14 William Lane Craig That is what Jesus spoke against over and over in his short life.. OK, but if you choose to do evil instead of good, I mean. But disagreeing with someone is not the same thing. JeffB Great question and Im glad you asked. This is the reason I stopped reading JAs thread on Calvinism, and its the reason I will my best to stop reading this one. God is bigger than us and is beyond our understanding except for some basics. So if you disagree with me, you must be doomed to hell as a heretic, since you contradict what God has put in my mind to say.. He does not back down on what he believes, yet responds to such denunciations with a gentle manner. The 10 Best Non Calvinist Systematic Theology of 2022 Before making a purchase decision, we strongly recommend reading through the features of each Non Calvinist Systematic Theology and picking one that will work best for you. I worked in a womens shelter and was surprised at the number of pastors wives (well-known ones, too) who were regulars in the shelter. My hubby got his first spiritual stirrings while watching a live performance of, Jesus Christ Superstar. God in nature, God in history, God in grace. When we dont like what someone teaches we try to make them a non Christian so we dont have to love them. No one at my church answers to RC Sproul or John Piper, even though their materials are used sometimes. held at Tremont Temple but occasionally at Park St. Church. Everything. Is some parts of the word more important than other parts? That should be enough to cause himto squirm. Its also what attracts many people to Calvinism nice boxes for everything, and rules connecting those boxes. I had no reason not to believe. Look at my Perfect System! Ive seen the attitude too often in fandom, and for some reason political or theological fanboys are a lot more respectable than furry or otaku or gamer fanboys, though the underlying dynamic is similar. He said he found comfort from it. Once we agree that all ideas have the exact same chance of being wrongwe have merely held the door open for ANOTHER, and even more sinister and vicious, arbiter of truth to be released: the power of the keys, which is nothing more than the power of DESTRUCTIONand with this, the powers that be continue to be the powers that be. For some time now, my blog posts have pursued an inquiry of how non-Calvinists and Calvinists among Southern Baptists have come to be involved in a public conversation on their respective positions. @ Julie Anne: Rather, I am encouraging those that may be suffering under a Calvinista doctrine that it is OK sometimes to say I dont know. http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2008/09/taking-calvinism-too-far-rc-sproul-jrs-evil-creating-deity/, Having left my few years of Calvinism through a Lutheran rescue, I just pictured a bunch of Germans and Norwegians riding in on cavalry horses, flying a Lutheran rose and singing A Mighty Fortress Is Our God, @ Hester: Make that Ein Feste Burg is Unser Gott, Hester! Only a source of proof-texts for Calvins Institutes. @ Daisy: F.B. @ JeffB: Luther also wrote a great deal about Romans 8 and similar passages. If we cant really know the fundamentals, then, who are we to disagree with Calvinists on the secondaries? This would definitely color their opinion. They cant seem to express their experience and pain without having a conversation with some authentic Calvinist/Reformer/Tulip believer (Whatever that means. I mentioned the concept as one that was coming from a non-Calvinist contingent (but is also the view of Sproul). 8. The word Gospel which meant so much to me as a new Christian, now seems a bit foreign. For example onannihilationismhe commented that some evangelical theologians have "resurrected the old polemical labels of heresy and aberrational teaching" in order to marginalize other evangelicals holding the view (The mosaic of Christian belief, 2002). Some Calvinists who want to make a distinction between hyper calvinism and proper Calvinism will gravitate to these equivocations in an effort to convince youand I suspect themselvesthat God in their construct is not some despotic puppet master who controls all things including abuse, rape, etc (e.g. There are definitely some clearly Calvinist ideas that I disagree with. So perhaps it carries untruth? CALVIN! The following are theologians, listed alphabetically, who are non-Calvinist in their soteriology. As leader of the Anti-Revolutionary Party in the Netherlands he served as Prime Minister of his country from 1901 to 1905. @ Daisy: Online discussions of religion and politics usually end by going up in flames, with a lot of nastiness to boot. Paige Patterson 18. I do believe that some brands have harmful elements that bring extra despair as if every day life doesnt bring enough. In that case they are probably reading an interpretation of what Calvin actually wrote. Now I believe it and I think its what scripture teaches, but how in the world can it be necessary and central to the Gospel if the church didnt even think about it in earnest for 1500 years? Been there, done that, have the scars (healing, but still) to prove it! 21st-century Calvinist and Reformed theologians Eastern Orthodox [ edit] 12th-century Eastern Orthodox theologians 13th-century Eastern Orthodox theologians 14th-century Eastern Orthodox theologians 15th-century Eastern Orthodox theologians 16th-century Eastern Orthodox theologians 17th-century Eastern Orthodox theologians On the other thread, I commented about the issue of sovereignty and the misunderstanding a lot of people have about the concept of sovereignty. who needs systems & neat little boxes? He also read the Gospel of John for the first time, (it was given to him), while smoking pot, @ Headless Unicorn Guy:YOu should see my Christmas tree. I ended up writing my final essay for my theology degree on the extent of the atonement. Yet, somewhere after the third paragraph, this young, rudderless teen stopped reading, glanced over at Star Trek on the television, began to cry, whispered, I believe and crossed that final frontier from unbelief into belief. I dont think my faith would have survived such a horrible doctrine. But I can say, knowing what I now know about God, that God would never ever ever have set the evil I suffered in place intentionally. Thank you, thank you, for getting it right! There are sound Christian people out there who are willing to admit this. Reformed theology teaches that God in His grace and mercy has chosen to redeem a people to Himself, delivering them from sin and death. That also struck me and started me thinking. Of course you are. But never, ever did it raise anything except a good discussion. So how does it work that God is in control of every molecule without circumventing the free will of man? Now I have a place to send the Calvin debates and can keep the other threads relatively Calvin debate-free. But something has changed in the last number of years. You might want to read The Institutes some time. Am very sorry to read of your sils diagnosis. If you read it, you will most likely have a heart attack. Even if we say we agree in the fundamentals/indisputables Calvinism makes it clear, and both Jeffs have admitted, that there is no human agency capable of understanding truth fully. I hadnt thought of it that way. First of all, I agree with what Jeff S wrote about the word leaders. Also, even if I considered someone a leader, I dont march in lockstep with him/her. Anyway, just a plug for the traditional anabaptists if someone is looking for an evangelical experience that is not Calvinist or pastor-ruled (you have to check each Mennonite church out, some can be very old-school with head coverings, but the modern ones arent at all). Actually Ive always thought of the hyper crowd in any area as the ones who want to get in your face and tell everyone how if they are not with them they are against them. Even if they do end up with Pythonesque theology that embarrasses more thoughtful calvin sympathisers. There are anti-Calvinists with websites who have examples, quotes taken from books by pro-Calvinists where the pro-C equates Cal to the Gospel itself, their point being to hint that anyone not embracing Cal is not a Christian, then you have the Cals who come right out and say it. Why did he care so much about what the Bible said? Admittedly, Im not famous enough to have followers trying to define Bulbeckism. If theyre not slaughtering each other, theyre blowing up each others Mosques so to speak. Calvinism is merely the attempt by one man to interpret the Bible; there are scores of others, men and women, who have attempted the same. I check out on their sub and they lile John Calvin and said that his theologybwas a major necessity to make their 33(?) He is a loving man in spite of the baloney flung his way. There appears to be a loss of respect for those who are not Calvinist in their thinking. Were doing well so We must be Righteous is Prosperity Gospel crap. Im not always that good at explaining things well. TULIP was formed many years after Calvins death to counter five points made by followers of Arminius, though the concepts are in Calvins writings. Itook to reading Calvin, Sproul, Edwards, Grudem, Piper, et al. This is one of the few places where that doesnt happen on a regular basis! Rather, it is a "revival" of sortsa revival of traditional, "old" Calvinism.The movement is sweeping through American evangelical churches of all denominations, attracting young people from Free Church, Episcopal, Independent, Presbyterian, and Baptist churches alike. Churches that sever the root of truth may seem to flourish for a season, but they will wither soon, or turn into something besides a Christian church. . In response to the devastation of a hurricane: @JohnPiper: Your sons and daughters were eating and a great wind struck the house, and it fell upon them, and they are dead.Job 1:19 . I know. Change), You are commenting using your Facebook account. But when our theories about how god works become more beloved to us than God himself, theyre just idols. The assuredness of the approach is arrogant. I guess what Im trying to say is: No one forces any of us to comment; but once we do we are obligated to defend our ideas. Mohler is either clueless or his inflated view of self distorts what he has done to the Southern Baptist Convention. Jeff S, Advocate & Solicitor of the High Court of Malaya. /r/Christianity is a subreddit to discuss Christianity and aspects of Christian life. The theology is weak. This is why I tend to fall back to the WCF. "A missionary is a qualified Christian sent out under the authority of a local church to an area of recognized need in order to pursue the work of the Great Commission." Per PSA, I am pretty sure that that is the official stance of the Lutheran end of thingsbut I really shouldnt be talking about theories of the atonement because I havent studied them worth a hoot. Or at least they start to think they have the powers and rights (divine?) That article Early Jesus Freak Movement Hollywood Free Paper country As Sixties(TM) as Rowan & Martins Laugh-In and then some. That is why I do not now, nor will I ever, follow a man. The hard part about this is I dont think these folks even realize what they are doing. And it wouldnt matter to me if what the person said was true or not. Lin wrote: Hes describing man, not God. All the Catholic and Orthodox traditions, major liturgical Protestant groups like Lutheran and Anglican, and the Arminian/Methodist/Holiness line, which would include many Charismatics, Non-denominational, etc. When I read the Bible, I find a lot more there about Gods love (and forgiveness a symptom of his love) and our responsibility to share that love (e.g., in the OT prophets writings we have) than I do about his glory or his sovereignty. System- & neat-little-box-free. However, he presentedOlson as a man of good will. But, knowing that this type of discussion triggers upsetting thoughts, why did you encourage it? Wehad the opportunityto spend the weekend with Wade and his family. Yes, some would slip away. I was challenged to think, to serve, to teach and to grow. For my part, I honestly dont understand a need to defend Calvinism, or Luther, or the RCC, or Baptists, etc., etc. Thats misrepresenting my heart, Argo! Was your family Christian? Of course Calvinism is not the only theological construct that has been used to hurt people. Arminianism: Because of the Fall, man has inherited a corrupted, depraved nature. @ Junkster: Anyways, just to say, Calvinism is a much larger group than the current T4G/TGC and followers. Ask a lot of questions. Although occasionally hurt by these accusations of heresy, he responds like a gentleman. We wouldnt be having any of these conversations if that doctrine was being labeled as hyper-Calinvism, which is what it has been called in the past. Like who can find Gods plan in the most horrible tragedy? But RC, as a neo-Cal intellectual, is, I think, trying to avoid what so many Calvinists do with regularity, and have no problem with it: concede that at the root of what they believe are ideas that simply cannot be reconciled. And those who might still reject it, might also be rejecting it for the wrong reasons and miss out on some important wrestling that could help them grow. But what I am hoping is that you, as well as me, can instead understand the objections so well that you can begin to understand why a few quotes from Calvin, along with a few Bible verses, do not answer the deeper questions.. So when people try to argue logical conclusions of my beliefs, I tend to get upset if they arent conclusions that I arrive at. You should see some of the other ixtian blogs. We are glad that you do. I will never forget hearing so many Christians actually try to reason that we have to accept, even rejoice, that this must have been Gods plan for these precious young people. A lot of people (hostile atheists especially) like to frame the whole ordeal as in, How mean or wrong it was of God to make that forbidden fruit tree when he knew Adam and Eve would eat from it, but the guy pointed out thats the not the way to look at it. (Okay, back into lurk..later, yall!). So, I disagree with your choice of word infantilised because in my example Im talking about giving someone hurting exactly what they need (emotionally/spiritually) at the precise time they need it just like breastmilk. The farther away from direct, clear scripture I get, the more loosely I hold to ideas. Just an observation. A person who has been abused should get A LOT of leeway in airing their feelings, because for a time (maybe a LONG time), the value of their free expression is more important than trying to protect a viewpoint. I always get a smile on my face when I get an email whichcallsme out on my pitiful understanding of the faith. Weve all been taught by people with various frameworks- that isnt bad. Ed was not so big on doctrine. I dont believe that this is the scenario that Jesus presented to his disciples. View all posts by Joshua Wu Kai-Ming. Holds you and strokes the back of your head. Whatever part of the stream a Calvinist has adopted (and there are several streams), calling ones self a Calvinist means taking responsibility for the parts of the broader construct that are damaging. And our needs are met by taking ground and accomplishing; because we were robbed of our inheritance and starved of purpose and significance. Im so glad that God rescued me from my foray into Calvinism a couple of years ago. You have truly said that he is one, and there is no other besides him. William Hendriksen (18 November 1900 - 12 January 1982) was a New Testament scholar and . And with a similar base assumption as Islam would resemble Islam as time goes on and Entropy sets in the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly. Regarding the 3rd view- well, I dont know if Ive stated this clearly before, but Ill give it a go just to be clear. They MUST insist you agree with themit is implied in the very protest to my assertion: You dont understand me; you cant understand me; thus, your only response is to AGREE that you could be wrong. I hear the word "gospel" placed in front of all primary and secondary issues. Should that be will be a Calvinist since that is in the future?!?!?! It caused her great pain to contemplate the Calvinist belief that God had ordained for her to be abused in such a manner. These accusations are often followed by the fact that although they cant explain away the opposing verses, nonetheless they know their view is the truth. And it seems the Neo-Cals operate the opposite way: they view everyone else from a Calvinist lens and themselves through an Arminian one. And yes, theology would say that God permitting evil gives us a chance to to good, but thats a hollow thing to tell a rape victim. Do you believe that God could not stop you if he wished? Old Pollyannasdie hard. My experience has been that someone who adheres to Calvinism always shows up on a blog to defend it/him when they happen upon someone they feel is misrepresenting him/it. God is immense beyond our comprehension and because of that, I do not believe the Calvinist ideas of Sovereignty (or the related principles of TULIP). For my part, I DO understand why people look at Calvinism and reject it. Im not saying that her description is completely off, but its far from the God of Scripture. Reformed theology has other tenets, which Calvin influenced, along with other theologians like Augustine (354-430) and Ulrich Zwingli (1484-1531). John Hagee. If you read non-Calvinism is evil youd probably feel a desire to defend your viewpoint too. Because he did not adhere to the beliefs of his well-known pastor. Your blog has been extremely helpful to me as well, in sorting many things out. Just happy to be able to trust that God really is good again. LOLGod works in mysterious and wonderful ways! What bothers me is that your leaders disregard my objections, calling me barely a Christian or saying that Olson is not a Christian.

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