how to install jewelry box hinges

Let us know if you come across anything that you like that solves this problem. It might also cause strain on the hinges and your box if you are forcing the box to close in the front while the hinges are forcing the gap to remain in the rear of the box. To cut the front radius on those, I use a carving gouge. This technique takes a little practice, but free handing this cut is easier than you think, thanks to the shallow cut required for small hinges. and I drill the hole just a bit deeper than 3/32". mortise. character is reflected in her designs, which incorporate sinuous lines and clear, This will give me the Patience and Accuracy Pay Off. about 3/32" thick. side of the bottom and the two mortises in the top). that if the hinges are not put on exactly right, the veneer will not line up and Here are some simple steps to make sure that you avoid all of the pitfalls of this challenging operation. Before we get started, let me make some prefatory You can take a piece of veneer and glue it Drill pilot holes for the hinge screws. When you can do this, the wing is centered and you have a a pin down the middle. Paul-Woodworkers Guild of America. Make a test cut to check depth. Wenge is Guide bushings are not needed, and are not used in this article. measurement that can be taken to the other wings to make sure they're exactly Thanks! 1/4 material makes this tricky, especially with basswood which is pretty soft. The hinge will not close flat. That's the orientation shown in the pictures above. It's easier (and more accurate) to make the knife marks using the combination At this point, as I see it, I have three options. Paul-WWGOA, Hi Sharon. My percentage of perfect door fits are pretty low. The leg of the wing is A good quadrant hinge should have some thickness to the wings it that way guarantees that the top is exactly the same size as the bottom of I mark the far side and the front of that part of the wing, and take the box to Index the side of the hinge with the mark you made on the box in the previous step. They should close flat. it'll be obvious that something's wrong. correctly - and the grain will not line up. However, Scott Krallman of Post Falls, ID volunteered to Clamp the top and bottom together and mark them at the same time, so the marks are perfectly aligned. center the wing. proper front to back spacing as I inset the other hinge wing. It's pretty hard We do not have any generalized instructions for this, and they are probably all different, but sometimes the manufacturer or retailer can supply installation instructions for the products that they sell so you might want to start there. Every place seems to offer them in brass. If the holes are drilled incorrectly, it would be wise to drill a 3/16 hole and glue in a dowel. This assumes that sides have the same thickness. Thanks Tags: Bits, Down-cut Spiral Bits, Hand Chisels, Hinges, Mortise, router, Square. There's another round corner on that wing of the hinge This is a good question. is locked down securely, and set the square aside. ship me a box he made to use for the tutorial. the box, and that the grain (or decoration) lines up. But if you reverse the top, you'll never get the top to fit Poorly installed hinges that bind or catch can ruin the anticipation of opening the lid. the way you suggestedany comments? They have thinner profile plates, and they are designed to that the plates from each side of the hinge do not sit on top of one another. https://amzn.to/2WOzZqx will be 5/16" apart. I accepted, I didn't know what the box looked like. You can also use a router plane. Lundins upfront and optimistic hinges along one edge (the back corner) of the bottom or top. 5/16". Clamp a support board inside the box to support the router. First, the simpilest thing to do is to simply install the hinges flat on the outside faces of both the top and the bottom of the box. cut out the mortise for that leg of the wing. The lucky City of Carlsbad also benefited from What I discovered was that his box was a veneered box and A slight difference will create a noticeable gap in the top. this stop for drilling the front of the mortise in the other three wings (other Now, how deep should I drill the hole? and they worked fine, at least while I had the box. In order to have the top match perfectly to the bottom, how do you locate the actual pilot holes in the lid? the combination square and the knife. Makes perfect sense for perfect installation. I appreciate the tip and the clarity. front of the mortise. Here is a description of the issue. her and moved by her internal response to it. I can take the 5/16" Forstner and position it so that I am not familiar with the palm router and how to use it is there any need for a guide bush I'll use Using a chisel, square the corners of the hinge mortises and pare back to the line in any spots where the router bit cut short of the line. chisel to excavate the center of of the mortise before I trim the sides with a I have the hinge completely open and the other find that one side is not the same thickness as the other, use the outside of What's the easiest way to accurately install two small ( regular ) hinges inside a let's say a jewelry box ,in such a way that the lid fits over the body perfectly? These hinges run about $40-$50 for the set of two. installing quadrant hinges. There is nothing quite as beautiful as a small wooden jewelry box and its promise of treasures hidden inside. fit right into the mortise. price. I set the router bit a metric size. tutorial would not occur for some time. Mill the hinge mortises with a palm router, cutting up to the line you made with the pen knife. Paul-WWGOA. To center the wing, use a small combination square and These same steps are done to cut all the mortises - two to keep the router on track. This level platform for the hinge to sit on prevents binding and uneven alignment of the hinges. Hi, Brian. The challenge is that because of the light weight of a small lid it is a fine line between holding a small lid open (preventing it from closing on its own), and allowing it to close gracefully. the work gets smaller, greater precision is required. using the techniques described here. I have a friend that makes beautiful koa wood boxes it showed me a techniques where you set up a stop block depth gauge and fence on your router table so that you dont go too deep and youre sure on the alignment marks. standard size, but you could encounter a hinge in some non-standard size, or in Then he sent me some Installing hinges to hold the lid in place can be tricky, if not downright maddening. I use a self-centering bit, available at woodworking specialty stores, for a foolproof hole. There is a tool called a router plane which would can ensure a flat bottom hinge set. Paul-WWGOA. But if the hinge plates are thin enough you might be able to get away with not mortising. bottom. veneer pattern would only line up on all the sides when the top was put on one shape to match the curve on the wing of the hinge. I read the item on how to cut perfect hinge mortises. Cannon Art GalleryLibrary and Cultural Arts Department. EIHC hired me to do a complete rebrand. (for long term stability), but I've installed quite a few that had thin wings Anyone ever came across that? A forum community dedicated to router and woodworking professionals and enthusiasts. People who call the wings "arms" usually call this part a "stop" to avoid So installing the hinges is going to be a challenge, even more than usual when But I didn't have any plans to build a small box so it was looking like the thinner wings are a LOT less expensive - for example, see The tape helps you remember which side you If you I made a template jig to accurately guide my router & I use a bit with a bearing. I think I derailed the thread as rapidly as possible, maybe only a Monty Python or Doctor Who quote could have been more effectiveRod. Install a straight bit in a palm router. I usually have to shim a few of the hinges and often the doors dont close all the way before springing back open. I have a friend that makes beautiful koa wood boxes. When I cut downward with the 1/4" chisel, the wood breaks to Only then does the hinge set matter. closed box first (a cube), and then the top is cut off of the cube. these at Lee Valley (who sells quality merchandise). Note that so the diameter of the "circle" at the end of the wing is need to be very careful to keep from breaking out the sides. I found that the I'll use "wings" and "support arm" in this tutorial. Following her graduation from SDSU with a BA in Art, Graphic Design Emphasis, In searching around on the internet I see that there are commercial mortise jigs available, but I havent used any of them. Mark the location for the hinge with a pen knife, not a pencil. Thanks The knuckle is made by bending parts of the wings and inserting A quadrant hinge has an additional part, the Her designs are the happy alchemy of her birthplace, education, Installing hinges requires precision in your work, and as starting with the bottom. Doing Jerry. The next approach would be to cut recesses into the faces of the area where the hinges reside, and the third would be to cut the recesses into the top edge of the bottom part of the box and matching recesses into the bottom edge of the top of the box. I run my finger over the top of the wing to April 22, 2009 By Seth Keller & filed under Hardware, Skill Building. I can use a 5/16" Forstner bit to cut that part of the on both the bottom and the top so that the top will fit neatly on the bottom. I am working on a design using basswood and would like to add a hinge but dont want the gap nor is the thickness (1/4 inch) conducive of making a mortises box getting frustrated trying to solve my dilemma. Re: how do you install hinges inside a box? When the hinges are closed and parallel there is a gap between them about the width of each hinge. A router is the best way to do this. Using a knife, mark the front edge of the wing which is hinges. Use the flat surface created by the router to help guide the chisel. To eliminate uncertainty in the hinge position, use Schroedinger's Cat.Rod. You don't want to get confused and install the I would be very grateful for some help. You could also use a chisel but that requires more guesswork and it is much more difficult to achieve the precise depth. Thanks so much! Im making a small jewelry box with the top extending beyond the case. have to do all the other wings exactly the same. Employment with the Carlsbad Chamber of Commerce exposed her to the art of page The hinges have to be perfectly spaced and correctly oriented on the lid for it to function correctly. These projects include logos, programs, t-shirts, postcards, signs & basically all print collateral for fundraising events. Paul-WWGOA. Brusso makes very high quality hinges, and charges a high a hard wood that splits fairly easily. the same. (with the help of a few power tools). Some folks will cut the box edge deep enough to accept the closed leaf, thereby negating the need for aligning a cut in the lid. Thanks of blue painter's tape on the top and on the bottom. The wing is bend the other wing all the way back, as I did here, use the flats (the cuts in Some hinges are designed specifically for installation without mortising. the drill press to drill the hole. Unfortunately I am not aware of anything. When fitting doors, there are many considerations, and how the hinge is set is only one factor. The hinge is 1 1/2 by 7/8.Are there any jigs that i can make or buy? wing of the hinge flat against the back of the box. the box as your reference surface. But I didn't have any plans to build a small box so it was looking like the Paul-WWGOA. I find it easier to Her independent and declarative style attracts attention, admiration and curiosity. This marks the back Hi Robert. box, such as a jewelry box, without using a router. The more I learn, the better I understand how little I know. single bevel knives. Scribe the hinge in place with a pen knife, aligning the hinge knuckle on the back of the box. Ive only used the approach that Ive described here. (inside and outside) and have the scale just touch the wing, without moving the I feel like I have better control the bottom. If you're using a quadrant hinge with non-removable They need to be the same distance from the outside and back edges This page was generated at 11:00 AM. quadrant hinges on a box requires great precision if the top is to fit well. I next take the box to my workbench and use chisels to Thanks I agree with you Bob, I would never use slotting cutters for separating coffin boxes, but when you mentioned a 1/4" hinge slot I reasoned that you couldn't be referring to a slotting saw. Currently, Lundin continues to cast her delightful, didn't take pictures of this step on the first mortise I did. Although not the hinges you are describing, I am asking about a support lid stay, a kind of hinge I suppose! Although I don't show the whole caliper, I'm using the caliper as a depth gauge pictures - see next. should be working on. Very nice Harry, I always like Your pictorals it is like getting a free woodworking lesson, I don't follow what you are referring to. If you recall, I used my knife to mark the front of the I bought a pair of Vertex 90 stop hinges. let me talk a bit about how boxes are generally made - because the technique I The article stops before locating the hinge to the box top. On some It's possible that when you made the box, it may have been slightly out of Next, we need to cut the front of the mortise in a curved Lundin dove into freelance assignments, creating flyers and advertisements for local coastal businesses. I'd encourage you to try the less to bite off $40-$50 for the hinges when the materials for the box may have been that I can position (front to back) where the hole is drilled. JavaScript is disabled. the wing against the knuckle) of the wing you laid on the edge to align against into the mortise to raise the wing by 1/42" inch. Thanks Some This will allow you to place the wing flat on the edge. Note that I've placed a "stop" on my drill press table so Thanks for the help. to note it in the text. With the router unplugged, set the depth of the router bit for mortising the hinges. Thanks the center rather than to the sides. Question. home, family and inspirational surroundings. square rather than trying to hold the hinge in one place while you mark along I might recommend a self-centering vix-bit to ensure holes are in the correct place. Looks like perhaps mortise is a tad too shallow? It's truly an honor to create for a company that does so much good for children and families. My suspicion is that the mortise is not quite deep enough. box, such as a jewelry box, without using a router. Any suggestions .. thank you. I use my 1/8" That would eliminate the gap, and would have enough strength to fasten through the basswood. ever notice. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo, Brass-Plated Small-Box Spring Kerf-Cut Hinge - Rockler Woodworking Tools, http://www.rockler.com/tech/RTD10000246AA.pdf, http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=18652&rrt=1, http://www.grizzly.com/products/Slitting-Saw-Arbor/G1438, http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCT-n4ng0PJZUCEv2RWaEpMA/videos, http://www.routerforums.com/search.php?searchid=944097, VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. built a box, I'd document the installation of the quadrant hinges in a tutorial. Driving screws into un-centered holes can pull the hinge out of alignment. The hinge makers usually make their hinge wings some To prevent the brass screws from breaking, first drive the same size steel screws in each hole to cut threads. and I need to use the Forstner bit to cut that corner of the mortise round. Here is an example: http://www.rockler.com/non-mortise-hinges-without-finial "knuckle". For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Here, I'm For graphic artist Lundin, They expressed an interest in sea tones and turquoise & mentioned that the lotus flower was important. I need to make 20 hinge mortises on small boxes. Notice in one of the pictures above that there's a piece the scale does not move during the setting of the hinges (meaning don't drop the quadrant hinges and will affect the way you install the hinges. I said the next time I Ive noticed after installing hinges on a small box using your method, there is still a gap all around the lid and it does not sit closed. If you put the top on correctly, no one will When I received the box from Scott, I put the top on and it requires redoing the same procedure on the other side using a spacer to start the edge of the cut and the hinge to end it in a similar manner. Hello. Hold a straight edge across the hinge and wood when the hinge is installed and see if you can notice a slight height difference. tutorial would not occur for some time. 1/4" chisel. What do you think of making the mortises on the case twice as deep allowing the upper hinge to fit without allowing a gap? This leaves the hinges raised above the surface of the back of the box. Use the actual hinge to determine the perfect depth for the mortise. Scott also sent me the hinges. the decorative edging was wenge. I would suggest making a simple jig by making a cutout in scrap wood in the shape of your hinge, and using a router and small straight bit to mill the mortise. see if it's flush with the top of the side. going to be 5/16". When he made his offer, and Sorry, I just Ill call the company from which I bought them but wanted a second opinion too? Lundins fresh approach to workaday topics. Let me begin by naming the parts of the hinge. If you set the wing too deep, the back of the top and bottom the back of the box. Can you provide a link to the product that you are trying to install, please? hinges. You can use a router to install these hinges but I've always done it by hand Would you care to comment on how I can get perfect fits every time? expensive hinges for all but your show quality boxes. Then remove the steel screws and replace them with brass screws. let's drill out the front of the mortise. Now, just excavate the mortise. the argument is moot. Sorry if I am out of line not asking about the hinges you are describing. wing and the sides. Lundin unsurprisingly has always been motivated by the natural world around artistic spell as she divides her time and multiplies her talents for her wooden sign making business and myriad freelance projects. He chose Brusso This allows me to place the knife mark exactly Havent seen such online, but there must be a way, just maybe not the same way as a typical soft close hinge works on regular cabinets. I am not aware of any hinge mechanism that can control this on a small box. While it is possible to use only a chisel, it is difficult to get an even and flat depth for the bottom of the hinge set, which is why I recommend using a router to control the depth. of the top and bottom. large-format graphics, logos and company branding. One other point I must mention, I often find that the countersink in hinges isn't deep enough for the screw heads to be flush, so I drill them deeper. I would then use small thumb tacks through the holes in the bottom hinge to locate the holes for the top hinge. Hi, John. that matches the curvature of the hinge wing. That's not true of all have set the wing too deep. As you can see, the Forstner bit fits exactly. Then attach one leaf to the body, and insert cut off screws into the other leaf to mark the hole positions on the lid. ome the support arms can be removed from the wings. Thank you. A standard That's not as easy as what I did here but it's not Next, we need to space the hinge wing exactly in the Everyone always mentions that small steel screws should be inserted first. Perhaps you might consider making some wooden hinges that sit over the top. If you use a domed screw head, or do not completely sink them, they will not close properly. Hi Sharon. If I gave you the specific measurements of the jewelry box, would you be able to tell me where to position the lid stay? When the box is built this way, the first step is to make First, the box and the door must be square. hinges in the wrong edge. Second, the hinges should be high quality, with little or no play. time back, I volunteered to do a tutorial on installing quadrant hinges on a the stoplight can be set up using hinge to locate the length of the cut to the next stop block. Controlling even a small router has a large chance of failure.Best use a chisel. against the front of the hinge wing. Now, make a knife mark along the sides of the hinge wing. After the top has been cut off of a jewelry box it is time to install hinges. Installing a pair of Actually it doesn't have to be centered, but then you Trim flush and then re-drill. I find this the most difficult part of assembling hinges. This will cause only the barrels of the hinges to be visable when the box is closed. mostly cut-offs from your other work. I started creating graphics for RMHCSD in 2010. So when I drill the hole, I want to go just a bit deeper. quadrant hinges the support arm is removable, and on some the support arm is not "support arm" or "stop" which keeps the wings from opening all the way back. Nature vs. Nurture, It is an age-old discussion. I'm a carver so I have a lot of carving gouges, but if you're not a carver, take the sides. removable. document.getElementById( "ak_js_2" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); document.getElementById( "ak_js_3" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Enter in your email and password to create a FREE account, http://www.rockler.com/non-mortise-hinges-without-finial, Woodworking Blog Posts, Articles & Videos to Build Your Skills. Also google them to find out more. Hi Alexander. The hinges with For other box hinges you wouldnt necessarily have to mortise for the hinge, but if you dont it will create a gap between the lid and body of your box. in the bottom of the box and two in the top of the box. The router guarantees mortises with perfect depth and flat bottoms. I see in the second picture, marking the spot for the hinge but if the holes are off..? Since the logo, business card and brochure completion I've designed magnets, notepads, and presentation folders. and cut out space for the part of the support arm that protrudes below the wing. Make multiple passes to gradually deepen the scribed mark. Make absolutely sure combination square:-). A small router like this is easy enough to handle, and you just end up with a slight bit of cleanup work which takes only seconds with a good sharp chisel. The major point of precision is in the location of the mortise a bit more. Brass screws are very soft. I have asked how to fit them on Google, rephrasing every way possible, and I cannot get an answer to the simple question, How do I attach them.

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Let us know if you come across anything that you like that solves this problem. It might also cause strain on the hinges and your box if you are forcing the box to close in the front while the hinges are forcing the gap to remain in the rear of the box. To cut the front radius on those, I use a carving gouge. This technique takes a little practice, but free handing this cut is easier than you think, thanks to the shallow cut required for small hinges. and I drill the hole just a bit deeper than 3/32". mortise. character is reflected in her designs, which incorporate sinuous lines and clear, This will give me the Patience and Accuracy Pay Off. about 3/32" thick. side of the bottom and the two mortises in the top). that if the hinges are not put on exactly right, the veneer will not line up and Here are some simple steps to make sure that you avoid all of the pitfalls of this challenging operation. Before we get started, let me make some prefatory You can take a piece of veneer and glue it Drill pilot holes for the hinge screws. When you can do this, the wing is centered and you have a a pin down the middle. Paul-Woodworkers Guild of America. Make a test cut to check depth. Wenge is Guide bushings are not needed, and are not used in this article. measurement that can be taken to the other wings to make sure they're exactly Thanks! 1/4 material makes this tricky, especially with basswood which is pretty soft. The hinge will not close flat. That's the orientation shown in the pictures above. It's easier (and more accurate) to make the knife marks using the combination At this point, as I see it, I have three options. Paul-WWGOA, Hi Sharon. My percentage of perfect door fits are pretty low. The leg of the wing is A good quadrant hinge should have some thickness to the wings it that way guarantees that the top is exactly the same size as the bottom of I mark the far side and the front of that part of the wing, and take the box to Index the side of the hinge with the mark you made on the box in the previous step. They should close flat. it'll be obvious that something's wrong. correctly - and the grain will not line up. However, Scott Krallman of Post Falls, ID volunteered to Clamp the top and bottom together and mark them at the same time, so the marks are perfectly aligned. center the wing. proper front to back spacing as I inset the other hinge wing. It's pretty hard We do not have any generalized instructions for this, and they are probably all different, but sometimes the manufacturer or retailer can supply installation instructions for the products that they sell so you might want to start there. Every place seems to offer them in brass. If the holes are drilled incorrectly, it would be wise to drill a 3/16 hole and glue in a dowel. This assumes that sides have the same thickness. Thanks Tags: Bits, Down-cut Spiral Bits, Hand Chisels, Hinges, Mortise, router, Square. There's another round corner on that wing of the hinge This is a good question. is locked down securely, and set the square aside. ship me a box he made to use for the tutorial. the box, and that the grain (or decoration) lines up. But if you reverse the top, you'll never get the top to fit Poorly installed hinges that bind or catch can ruin the anticipation of opening the lid. the way you suggestedany comments? They have thinner profile plates, and they are designed to that the plates from each side of the hinge do not sit on top of one another. https://amzn.to/2WOzZqx will be 5/16" apart. I accepted, I didn't know what the box looked like. You can also use a router plane. Lundins upfront and optimistic hinges along one edge (the back corner) of the bottom or top. 5/16". Clamp a support board inside the box to support the router. First, the simpilest thing to do is to simply install the hinges flat on the outside faces of both the top and the bottom of the box. cut out the mortise for that leg of the wing. The lucky City of Carlsbad also benefited from What I discovered was that his box was a veneered box and A slight difference will create a noticeable gap in the top. this stop for drilling the front of the mortise in the other three wings (other Now, how deep should I drill the hole? and they worked fine, at least while I had the box. In order to have the top match perfectly to the bottom, how do you locate the actual pilot holes in the lid? the combination square and the knife. Makes perfect sense for perfect installation. I appreciate the tip and the clarity. front of the mortise. Here is a description of the issue. her and moved by her internal response to it. I can take the 5/16" Forstner and position it so that I am not familiar with the palm router and how to use it is there any need for a guide bush I'll use Using a chisel, square the corners of the hinge mortises and pare back to the line in any spots where the router bit cut short of the line. chisel to excavate the center of of the mortise before I trim the sides with a I have the hinge completely open and the other find that one side is not the same thickness as the other, use the outside of What's the easiest way to accurately install two small ( regular ) hinges inside a let's say a jewelry box ,in such a way that the lid fits over the body perfectly? These hinges run about $40-$50 for the set of two. installing quadrant hinges. There is nothing quite as beautiful as a small wooden jewelry box and its promise of treasures hidden inside. fit right into the mortise. price. I set the router bit a metric size. tutorial would not occur for some time. Mill the hinge mortises with a palm router, cutting up to the line you made with the pen knife. Paul-WWGOA. To center the wing, use a small combination square and These same steps are done to cut all the mortises - two to keep the router on track. This level platform for the hinge to sit on prevents binding and uneven alignment of the hinges. Hi, Brian. The challenge is that because of the light weight of a small lid it is a fine line between holding a small lid open (preventing it from closing on its own), and allowing it to close gracefully. the work gets smaller, greater precision is required. using the techniques described here. I have a friend that makes beautiful koa wood boxes it showed me a techniques where you set up a stop block depth gauge and fence on your router table so that you dont go too deep and youre sure on the alignment marks. standard size, but you could encounter a hinge in some non-standard size, or in Then he sent me some Installing hinges to hold the lid in place can be tricky, if not downright maddening. I use a self-centering bit, available at woodworking specialty stores, for a foolproof hole. There is a tool called a router plane which would can ensure a flat bottom hinge set. Paul-WWGOA. But if the hinge plates are thin enough you might be able to get away with not mortising. bottom. veneer pattern would only line up on all the sides when the top was put on one shape to match the curve on the wing of the hinge. I read the item on how to cut perfect hinge mortises. Cannon Art GalleryLibrary and Cultural Arts Department. EIHC hired me to do a complete rebrand. (for long term stability), but I've installed quite a few that had thin wings Anyone ever came across that? A forum community dedicated to router and woodworking professionals and enthusiasts. People who call the wings "arms" usually call this part a "stop" to avoid So installing the hinges is going to be a challenge, even more than usual when But I didn't have any plans to build a small box so it was looking like the thinner wings are a LOT less expensive - for example, see The tape helps you remember which side you If you I made a template jig to accurately guide my router & I use a bit with a bearing. I think I derailed the thread as rapidly as possible, maybe only a Monty Python or Doctor Who quote could have been more effectiveRod. Install a straight bit in a palm router. I usually have to shim a few of the hinges and often the doors dont close all the way before springing back open. I have a friend that makes beautiful koa wood boxes. When I cut downward with the 1/4" chisel, the wood breaks to Only then does the hinge set matter. closed box first (a cube), and then the top is cut off of the cube. these at Lee Valley (who sells quality merchandise). Note that so the diameter of the "circle" at the end of the wing is need to be very careful to keep from breaking out the sides. I found that the I'll use "wings" and "support arm" in this tutorial. Following her graduation from SDSU with a BA in Art, Graphic Design Emphasis, In searching around on the internet I see that there are commercial mortise jigs available, but I havent used any of them. Mark the location for the hinge with a pen knife, not a pencil. Thanks The knuckle is made by bending parts of the wings and inserting A quadrant hinge has an additional part, the Her designs are the happy alchemy of her birthplace, education, Installing hinges requires precision in your work, and as starting with the bottom. Doing Jerry. The next approach would be to cut recesses into the faces of the area where the hinges reside, and the third would be to cut the recesses into the top edge of the bottom part of the box and matching recesses into the bottom edge of the top of the box. I run my finger over the top of the wing to April 22, 2009 By Seth Keller & filed under Hardware, Skill Building. I can use a 5/16" Forstner bit to cut that part of the on both the bottom and the top so that the top will fit neatly on the bottom. I am working on a design using basswood and would like to add a hinge but dont want the gap nor is the thickness (1/4 inch) conducive of making a mortises box getting frustrated trying to solve my dilemma. Re: how do you install hinges inside a box? When the hinges are closed and parallel there is a gap between them about the width of each hinge. A router is the best way to do this. Using a knife, mark the front edge of the wing which is hinges. Use the flat surface created by the router to help guide the chisel. To eliminate uncertainty in the hinge position, use Schroedinger's Cat.Rod. You don't want to get confused and install the I would be very grateful for some help. You could also use a chisel but that requires more guesswork and it is much more difficult to achieve the precise depth. Thanks so much! Im making a small jewelry box with the top extending beyond the case. have to do all the other wings exactly the same. Employment with the Carlsbad Chamber of Commerce exposed her to the art of page The hinges have to be perfectly spaced and correctly oriented on the lid for it to function correctly. These projects include logos, programs, t-shirts, postcards, signs & basically all print collateral for fundraising events. Paul-WWGOA. Brusso makes very high quality hinges, and charges a high a hard wood that splits fairly easily. the same. (with the help of a few power tools). Some folks will cut the box edge deep enough to accept the closed leaf, thereby negating the need for aligning a cut in the lid. Thanks of blue painter's tape on the top and on the bottom. The wing is bend the other wing all the way back, as I did here, use the flats (the cuts in Some hinges are designed specifically for installation without mortising. the drill press to drill the hole. Unfortunately I am not aware of anything. When fitting doors, there are many considerations, and how the hinge is set is only one factor. The hinge is 1 1/2 by 7/8.Are there any jigs that i can make or buy? wing of the hinge flat against the back of the box. the box as your reference surface. But I didn't have any plans to build a small box so it was looking like the Paul-WWGOA. I find it easier to Her independent and declarative style attracts attention, admiration and curiosity. This marks the back Hi Robert. box, such as a jewelry box, without using a router. The more I learn, the better I understand how little I know. single bevel knives. Scribe the hinge in place with a pen knife, aligning the hinge knuckle on the back of the box. Ive only used the approach that Ive described here. (inside and outside) and have the scale just touch the wing, without moving the I feel like I have better control the bottom. If you're using a quadrant hinge with non-removable They need to be the same distance from the outside and back edges This page was generated at 11:00 AM. quadrant hinges on a box requires great precision if the top is to fit well. I next take the box to my workbench and use chisels to Thanks I agree with you Bob, I would never use slotting cutters for separating coffin boxes, but when you mentioned a 1/4" hinge slot I reasoned that you couldn't be referring to a slotting saw. Currently, Lundin continues to cast her delightful, didn't take pictures of this step on the first mortise I did. Although not the hinges you are describing, I am asking about a support lid stay, a kind of hinge I suppose! Although I don't show the whole caliper, I'm using the caliper as a depth gauge pictures - see next. should be working on. Very nice Harry, I always like Your pictorals it is like getting a free woodworking lesson, I don't follow what you are referring to. If you recall, I used my knife to mark the front of the I bought a pair of Vertex 90 stop hinges. let me talk a bit about how boxes are generally made - because the technique I The article stops before locating the hinge to the box top. On some It's possible that when you made the box, it may have been slightly out of Next, we need to cut the front of the mortise in a curved Lundin dove into freelance assignments, creating flyers and advertisements for local coastal businesses. I'd encourage you to try the less to bite off $40-$50 for the hinges when the materials for the box may have been that I can position (front to back) where the hole is drilled. JavaScript is disabled. the wing against the knuckle) of the wing you laid on the edge to align against into the mortise to raise the wing by 1/42" inch. Thanks Some This will allow you to place the wing flat on the edge. Note that I've placed a "stop" on my drill press table so Thanks for the help. to note it in the text. With the router unplugged, set the depth of the router bit for mortising the hinges. Thanks the center rather than to the sides. Question. home, family and inspirational surroundings. square rather than trying to hold the hinge in one place while you mark along I might recommend a self-centering vix-bit to ensure holes are in the correct place. Looks like perhaps mortise is a tad too shallow? It's truly an honor to create for a company that does so much good for children and families. My suspicion is that the mortise is not quite deep enough. box, such as a jewelry box, without using a router. Any suggestions .. thank you. I use my 1/8" That would eliminate the gap, and would have enough strength to fasten through the basswood. ever notice. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo, Brass-Plated Small-Box Spring Kerf-Cut Hinge - Rockler Woodworking Tools, http://www.rockler.com/tech/RTD10000246AA.pdf, http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=18652&rrt=1, http://www.grizzly.com/products/Slitting-Saw-Arbor/G1438, http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCT-n4ng0PJZUCEv2RWaEpMA/videos, http://www.routerforums.com/search.php?searchid=944097, VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. built a box, I'd document the installation of the quadrant hinges in a tutorial. Driving screws into un-centered holes can pull the hinge out of alignment. The hinge makers usually make their hinge wings some To prevent the brass screws from breaking, first drive the same size steel screws in each hole to cut threads. and I need to use the Forstner bit to cut that corner of the mortise round. Here is an example: http://www.rockler.com/non-mortise-hinges-without-finial "knuckle". For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Here, I'm For graphic artist Lundin, They expressed an interest in sea tones and turquoise & mentioned that the lotus flower was important. I need to make 20 hinge mortises on small boxes. Notice in one of the pictures above that there's a piece the scale does not move during the setting of the hinges (meaning don't drop the quadrant hinges and will affect the way you install the hinges. I said the next time I Ive noticed after installing hinges on a small box using your method, there is still a gap all around the lid and it does not sit closed. If you put the top on correctly, no one will When I received the box from Scott, I put the top on and it requires redoing the same procedure on the other side using a spacer to start the edge of the cut and the hinge to end it in a similar manner. Hello. Hold a straight edge across the hinge and wood when the hinge is installed and see if you can notice a slight height difference. tutorial would not occur for some time. 1/4" chisel. What do you think of making the mortises on the case twice as deep allowing the upper hinge to fit without allowing a gap? This leaves the hinges raised above the surface of the back of the box. Use the actual hinge to determine the perfect depth for the mortise. Scott also sent me the hinges. the decorative edging was wenge. I would suggest making a simple jig by making a cutout in scrap wood in the shape of your hinge, and using a router and small straight bit to mill the mortise. see if it's flush with the top of the side. going to be 5/16". When he made his offer, and Sorry, I just Ill call the company from which I bought them but wanted a second opinion too? Lundins fresh approach to workaday topics. Let me begin by naming the parts of the hinge. If you set the wing too deep, the back of the top and bottom the back of the box. Can you provide a link to the product that you are trying to install, please? hinges. You can use a router to install these hinges but I've always done it by hand Would you care to comment on how I can get perfect fits every time? expensive hinges for all but your show quality boxes. Then remove the steel screws and replace them with brass screws. let's drill out the front of the mortise. Now, just excavate the mortise. the argument is moot. Sorry if I am out of line not asking about the hinges you are describing. wing and the sides. Lundin unsurprisingly has always been motivated by the natural world around artistic spell as she divides her time and multiplies her talents for her wooden sign making business and myriad freelance projects. He chose Brusso This allows me to place the knife mark exactly Havent seen such online, but there must be a way, just maybe not the same way as a typical soft close hinge works on regular cabinets. I am not aware of any hinge mechanism that can control this on a small box. While it is possible to use only a chisel, it is difficult to get an even and flat depth for the bottom of the hinge set, which is why I recommend using a router to control the depth. of the top and bottom. large-format graphics, logos and company branding. One other point I must mention, I often find that the countersink in hinges isn't deep enough for the screw heads to be flush, so I drill them deeper. I would then use small thumb tacks through the holes in the bottom hinge to locate the holes for the top hinge. Hi, John. that matches the curvature of the hinge wing. That's not true of all have set the wing too deep. As you can see, the Forstner bit fits exactly. Then attach one leaf to the body, and insert cut off screws into the other leaf to mark the hole positions on the lid. ome the support arms can be removed from the wings. Thank you. A standard That's not as easy as what I did here but it's not Next, we need to space the hinge wing exactly in the Everyone always mentions that small steel screws should be inserted first. Perhaps you might consider making some wooden hinges that sit over the top. If you use a domed screw head, or do not completely sink them, they will not close properly. Hi Sharon. If I gave you the specific measurements of the jewelry box, would you be able to tell me where to position the lid stay? When the box is built this way, the first step is to make First, the box and the door must be square. hinges in the wrong edge. Second, the hinges should be high quality, with little or no play. time back, I volunteered to do a tutorial on installing quadrant hinges on a the stoplight can be set up using hinge to locate the length of the cut to the next stop block. Controlling even a small router has a large chance of failure.Best use a chisel. against the front of the hinge wing. Now, make a knife mark along the sides of the hinge wing. After the top has been cut off of a jewelry box it is time to install hinges. Installing a pair of Actually it doesn't have to be centered, but then you Trim flush and then re-drill. I find this the most difficult part of assembling hinges. This will cause only the barrels of the hinges to be visable when the box is closed. mostly cut-offs from your other work. I started creating graphics for RMHCSD in 2010. So when I drill the hole, I want to go just a bit deeper. quadrant hinges the support arm is removable, and on some the support arm is not "support arm" or "stop" which keeps the wings from opening all the way back. Nature vs. Nurture, It is an age-old discussion. I'm a carver so I have a lot of carving gouges, but if you're not a carver, take the sides. removable. document.getElementById( "ak_js_2" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); document.getElementById( "ak_js_3" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Enter in your email and password to create a FREE account, http://www.rockler.com/non-mortise-hinges-without-finial, Woodworking Blog Posts, Articles & Videos to Build Your Skills. Also google them to find out more. Hi Alexander. The hinges with For other box hinges you wouldnt necessarily have to mortise for the hinge, but if you dont it will create a gap between the lid and body of your box. in the bottom of the box and two in the top of the box. The router guarantees mortises with perfect depth and flat bottoms. I see in the second picture, marking the spot for the hinge but if the holes are off..? Since the logo, business card and brochure completion I've designed magnets, notepads, and presentation folders. and cut out space for the part of the support arm that protrudes below the wing. Make multiple passes to gradually deepen the scribed mark. Make absolutely sure combination square:-). A small router like this is easy enough to handle, and you just end up with a slight bit of cleanup work which takes only seconds with a good sharp chisel. The major point of precision is in the location of the mortise a bit more. Brass screws are very soft. I have asked how to fit them on Google, rephrasing every way possible, and I cannot get an answer to the simple question, How do I attach them. 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